The Special Assistant to Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan on National Security Division and Strategic Policy Planning, Dr Moeed Yusuf said that Pakistan was ready to hold talks with India, provided Kashmir was included as a third party.
In an interview with a Delhi based news organisation The Wire, Dr Moeed revealed that India had expressed a “desire for conversation” but said that Pakistan’s agreement to talks would be conditional.
The conditions include the immediate release of political prisoners of Jammu and Kashmir, removal of armed forces personnel from the valley, a reversal of New Delhi’s decision to strip the region of its special status, ending “human rights violations in the valley and a stop to India’s state-sponsored terrorism against Pakistan”.
Ever since the government of India abrogated article 370 and bifurcated the erstwhile state into two union territories, this is the first time a Pakistani government official has given an interview to an Indian news organisation.
When asked Pakistan was “so worked up” on the India’s decision to abrogate special status of JK, Dr Moeed said that the Indian Muslims did not want to be “ruled by India”. He quoted Kashmiri leader Farooq Abdullah, who in a recent interview with The Wire had said that Kashmiris “would much rather be ruled by Chinese” than India.
He said that the world was “calling India out” over its actions in Jammu and Kashmir.
“That’s the reality. Kashmiris can’t bear the thought of being Indian. Kashmiris hate Hindustan,” he told the interviewer. He further said that while India had “never obeyed” the UN charter and resolutions, it had now “formally stated [that] you’re going to violate them”.
He regretted that India had chosen to take a “unilateral” decision bypassing the United Nations Security Council resolutions, as well as the bilateral Simla Agreement, signed between New Delhi and Islamabad.
“When you did something unilateral you had to bring in 180,000 troops, lie to the world that there was a terrorist threat and then Indian government perpetrated terrorism on August 5. And a year later, you had to impose a curfew,” he said adding that when you say that the wishes of the people don’t matter, that’s where you go wrong.
“The day India recognises that only the wishes of people of Kashmir matter, this issue can be resolved,” Dr Moeed told the Journalist Karan Thapar.
The premier’s aide explained that while Pakistan had never recognised the now scraped Article 370 of the Indian constitution, adding that Islamabad was “raising the issue [of the Article being repealed] because you (India) have formally gone outside the UN charter and resolutions by making a permanent change to a territory I rightfully claim as mine”.
In response to a question, Dr Moeed said “no decision has been made” regarding granting Gilgit Baltistan a provincial status but added that the matter was the subject of “public debate”.
“If it was so confirmed and so done, where is the act?” Dr Moeed said when asked if Pakistan had granted provincial status to GB and if such a step would be a contradiction to Islamabad’s opposition to New Delhi’s decision to abrogate Article 370 of the Indian constitution.
“One: no decision has been made. Two: there is a public debate. The public debate has not been generated by the government of Pakistan. It’s been generated by the people of Gilgit Baltistan. They have been saying this for two or three years now. What are they saying? ‘We want to be fully integrated with Pakistan.’
“Now you tell me Karan, if people are not treated well, would they ever want that? I’ve never heard the Kashmiri Muslims talk about this in JK,” Dr Moeed said. He further said that Pakistan’s decision would be in line with the resolutions passed by the UNSC.
“If the resolutions bar a permanent change of territorial status, there will be no permanent change,” Dr Moeed stated, adding that the matter was being debated in Pakistan since “this is how democratic societies” work.
“Democratic societies, by the way, do not bring in 180,000 troops to change the status of a territory. That’s the difference between Pakistan and India right now,” Dr Moeed said, referring to heavy Indian military deployment in Kashmir since August 2019.
He agreed with Thapar that GB was a disputed territory, saying that the region would be included in the plebiscite “the day [it] happens”.
He further said that India had left Pakistan with no choice but to speak out on the Kashmir issue on a global stage as the former had repeatedly rejected Islamabad’s offers for talks.
On the way forward for Pakistan-India ties, Dr Moeed said the two countries “need to sit down like adults” and talk about the two fundamental issues affecting their ties — Kashmir and terrorism.
“There has to be an enabling environment to talk. Create that and you will find us willing the next day. Take that one step [and] you will see my prime minister take two,” he said, addressing the Indian leadership.
When asked why Imran Khan had never raised his voice for the Uighur community in China that was being persecuted by the Chinese government, the SAPM said: “China and Pakistan are friends like no other. We have a completely transparent relationship; virtually everything under the sky, we discuss.
“Uighurs is a non-issue […] Our delegations have visited, we’ve seen and we are a 100 per cent satisfied that it’s a non-issue. The West can say what it wants. I am telling you as a responsible official: we know everything we need to know about the Uighurs and everything else in China as they do about us.”
Thapar quoted an interview PM Imran gave to the Financial Times last year, where the premier had said: “Frankly, I don’t know much about” the Uighur issue. Dr Moeed, however, continued to insist that the matter was a non-issue and said that he had briefed the Prime Minister about it.
The case of the Kulbhushan Jadhav was also discussed. Jadhav was convicted by Pakistan military court in 2017.
He told Thapar that the Pakistani government had granted India consular access to Jadhav as per the International Court of Justice’s verdict but that the Indian government was “dragging its feet” over the matter of appointing a legal representative.
He further said that Pakistan had complied with the ICJ verdict and lamented that court proceedings could not be started because India has yet to appoint a lawyer to get relevant documents. He told Thapar that the Pakistani government was waiting for India to accept Pakistan’s offer for third consular access.
Dr Moeed said that the Indian side had pushed a “one-sided narrative for at least two decades” since 9/11 attacks. The premier’s aide said that in 2019, more than a billion US dollars from the Indian embassy funds had been used for the merger of Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan with other terrorist outfits.
“Congratulations to the RAW. They have succeeded in creating an organisation to kill Pakistanis,” he said during the interview.
He further said that Malik Fareedoun, a mastermind of the Army Public School massacre in Peshawar, was in touch with handlers at the Indian consulate in Afghanistan. The terrorist was also treated at a New Delhi hospital in 2017, Dr Moeed added. The premier’s assistant said that the government had records of phone calls, phone numbers of people who orchestrated the APS attack from a third country.
Dr Moeed said that Islamabad has “evidence to a T” that India was sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan, adding that the Indian government was “using Afghanistan’s” territory in its schemes.
He went on to reveal that Aslam Achoo, a Balochistan Liberation Army terrorist, who was involved in an attack on the Chinese embassy in Karachi, was also “directly working with his RAW handlers” and was also treated at an Indian hospital later.
He said that Pakistan had collected “hard evidence” regarding Indian involvement in terror attacks instead of making them public at a premature stage.
When asked about Indian allegations that Mumbai attacks were sponsored from Pakistan’s territory, he said that Islamabad had pursued the case but India refused to grant access to the crime scene or to send its witnesses.
“We have to follow the course of law and India is not cooperating in the evidence it needs to provide. Get the witnesses over, provide the evidence,” he said about cases concerning attacks in India.
“Any Pakistani [or] any Indian involved in any violence must face justice. Please play your part and we’ll get this done,” Dr Moeed told The Wire during the interview.
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